Discovery League

Slammers.... not surprised
What is that supposed to mean? The Slammers organization has over 100 teams and you want to generalize every team based on what? In fact, the Slammers have subsets of groups i.e. South Slammers, CDA Slammers, Slammers....so please be intelligent about things when you quote. Guess your games against the Slammers teams didn't go your way. That's too bad. :)
 
This was just released, apparently everything is not copacetic.


"To all Discovery Division Team Contacts and Club Officials - URGENT - PLEASE READ AND FORWARD TO ALL PARENTS/COACHES/PLAYERS

After the 3rd week of Discovery Division games it is time to send an email addressing the inexcussable parental and coach behavior being exibited during Discovery Division games. This past weekend was especially out of control and the time has come to make some decisions about this type of behavior moving forward.

While the SCDSL and the Discovery Division are not the US Soccer Developmental Academy nor ECNL, this does not make it ok for coaches and parents to behave the way they have been. The Discovery Division is the Elite division in the SCDSL. Teams apply for acceptance and earn their way into this Elite division and are invited in to the division. It would be a shame for teams to not be accepted moving forward because parents and coaches can't control themselves which can happen. We have a zero tolerance for parents who can not sit down and enjoy their kids games and for coaches that take the position that referee abuse is the proper example to set for their players.

Therefore, beginning this weekend, any parent issues on the side line, whether it's one parent or multiple parents on the sideline, the whole sideline (for that team) will be instructed to leave and while that may seem harsh, US Soccer and ECNL would be a whole lot more harsh in the consequences they would impose for such behavior.

Coaches that argue with referees, encourage poor behavior by the parents and condone poor sportsmanship from the players will also be instructed to leave and suspensions will be imposed.

The parents, coaches and players in this division are held to the highest of standards and we simply will not accept intolerable behavior from teams that are "invited" in to this division.

Parents - complaining to the referees and about the referees gets you nowhere. Emailing me complaining about the referees will not get you a response. We have a policy in place regarding this and we have an On-Site Referee Coordinator to deal with referee issues. Attacking referees but verbally and physically, will only get the offender an extended suspension. The same applies to coaches. It does not matter what club you are with or what your name is. This type of behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

Players - Remember the suspensions for Violent Conduct and Referee Abuse. It's a minimum of 3-games and, depending on what the offense is, the disciplinary committee can add more. That's for the 1st offense. Another send-off for Violent Conduct or Referee Abuse is 6-games and your season will be over. Red cards also carry over into next season so don't risk the chance of missing the majoirty of this season and some of next. Red cards can not be argues away, rescinded or changed.

Club Officials - you may want to reiterate to the parents, players and coaching staff so that they understand the consequences of improper behavior and the risk they are taking of not getting accepted in to the Division next season. Maybe a reminder from the Club leadership to those in the Discovery Division will assist everyone in understanding the importance of proper behavior on the sideline.

When SCDSL staff and the Referee Site Coordinator have to sit on a sideline and baby-sit the parents for a full game, there is a problem.

When staff have to sit behind a team bench for a whole game, there is a problem.

When players are trying to calm their parents down on the sideline - that's a problem.

When a player who has been sent-off in a game and is sitting on the bench decides to run on the field and join in another fight - that's a problem.

When a parent decides that attacking a referee and putting in him a chokehold is acceptable behavior - that's a crime.

When a coach verbally assaults a minor referee and follows her to not just her chair but to the parking lot - that's a crime.

When a coach has to be held back by a manager and assistant coach to keep him from attacking a referee - that's a problem.

Please respect the referees - even the bad ones - and just sit and enjoy the games. We will deal with the referees if they are not up to our standards. We deal with them quicker than any of you realize so let us do what we do and please just enjoy your children and their games. Respect the parents from the opposing teams. Respect all of the players on the field and be a positive example for the players. Don't be the parent(s) that causes a game to be terminated in the 32nd minute because the parents couldn't control themselves so their child's game gets forfeited because of them, not because of anything happening on this field (yes this happened).

If you are that unhappy with the referees - be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Become a referee. But remember WHY we have the shortage of quality referees. Because they can't handle the constant abuse from the parents and coaches. We lost no less than 5 referees this weekend becuase of situations involving coaches and parents. Take this seriously.

We will be tracking these issues and we will be clearing sidelines and ejecting coaches.

I hate sending emails like this but the reminder was necessary and hopefully will help parents/coaches/players to understand that the Discovery Division is an honor to play in and everyone's behavior goes a long way ensuring the success of this division in the SCDSL moving forward.

Thank you

Michelle
"

It’s not just SCDSL that this bs is happening in. This past Sunday, my son who’s on a CSL 05 team played in Apple Valley. At the end of the game before his ( girls 03 or 04 game ) 2 adults got onto a fist fight on the field; and I believe both were from the same team. One of the girls ran up and was begging on of the adults to stop...very sad for the young lady.
Then our game was called 5 minutes early by the center referee because he showed a red card to the other team’s coach. He was complaining throughout the whole game and I guess the CR has enough.
I myself pretty much gave up on being a referee cause of the bs the referees put up with.
 
I'll ask it again - Why not put the parents on the same side as the team?
A-hole coaches and A-hole sidelines will still exist. But at least it will give a coach a chance to hear and address anything their sideline is doing.


Agree to this 100%. As a coach you can manage your sideline and be more hands on.
 
Agree to this 100%. As a coach you can manage your sideline and be more hands on.
Personally I would rather the Coach concentrate on the game instead of worrying about the sideline. If they are a good Coach it would have been addressed before the season started.
 
Personally I would rather the Coach concentrate on the game instead of worrying about the sideline. If they are a good Coach it would have been addressed before the season started.
If they are a good coach, having the parents on the sideline won't be an issue either.

This keeps parents from getting after each other, too.
 
If they are a good coach, having the parents on the sideline won't be an issue either.

This keeps parents from getting after each other, too.
That's true as well. I just prefer the Coach concentrate on the game with as little distractions as possible. It's why we pay the $$. Back in the day I would see parents walking to the bench to check on their kid, talk to Coach or tell their kid what they are doing wrong. Helicopter much? Kids should feel that this is their time. Just my opinion...
 
Do tell...
I am sorely disappointed in this board where you can count on some mudslinging and get versions of what happened yet we have no clear picture of what triggered that email. Somebody needs to come clean.

The most I can glean is that it was the Discovery League (based on the fact the ECNL and DA comments only made some sense when reading the Discovery League version but not when the Discovery comments were taken out and sent to the SCDSL folks) and there was probably some posturing over how the Discovery League is inferior thus causing this situation (because of the defensiveness in the letter related to the Discovery League in relation to ECNL and DA). It makes sense that it would be Slammers and Pats as a poster noted based upon the ECNL and DA comments as well as the "Big name" comment. My daughter has put her money on the fact it is a boys team and my money is on a girls team. I need some facts folks...somebody knows! Start a new profile and spill the beans! At a minimum, use Club A and Club B and give us the facts.
 
I am sorely disappointed in this board where you can count on some mudslinging and get versions of what happened yet we have no clear picture of what triggered that email. Somebody needs to come clean.

The most I can glean is that it was the Discovery League (based on the fact the ECNL and DA comments only made some sense when reading the Discovery League version but not when the Discovery comments were taken out and sent to the SCDSL folks) and there was probably some posturing over how the Discovery League is inferior thus causing this situation (because of the defensiveness in the letter related to the Discovery League in relation to ECNL and DA). It makes sense that it would be Slammers and Pats as a poster noted based upon the ECNL and DA comments as well as the "Big name" comment. My daughter has put her money on the fact it is a boys team and my money is on a girls team. I need some facts folks...somebody knows! Start a new profile and spill the beans! At a minimum, use Club A and Club B and give us the facts.
Exactly. Why is it that we can get in-depth breakdowns of off-side incidents in an individual u-littles game, but when someone put a ref in a choke hold this place goes silent???
 
I am sorely disappointed in this board where you can count on some mudslinging and get versions of what happened yet we have no clear picture of what triggered that email. Somebody needs to come clean.

The most I can glean is that it was the Discovery League (based on the fact the ECNL and DA comments only made some sense when reading the Discovery League version but not when the Discovery comments were taken out and sent to the SCDSL folks) and there was probably some posturing over how the Discovery League is inferior thus causing this situation (because of the defensiveness in the letter related to the Discovery League in relation to ECNL and DA). It makes sense that it would be Slammers and Pats as a poster noted based upon the ECNL and DA comments as well as the "Big name" comment. My daughter has put her money on the fact it is a boys team and my money is on a girls team. I need some facts folks...somebody knows! Start a new profile and spill the beans! At a minimum, use Club A and Club B and give us the facts.
You should pay your daughter...
 
This was just released, apparently everything is not copacetic.


"To all Discovery Division Team Contacts and Club Officials - URGENT - PLEASE READ AND FORWARD TO ALL PARENTS/COACHES/PLAYERS

After the 3rd week of Discovery Division games it is time to send an email addressing the inexcussable parental and coach behavior being exibited during Discovery Division games. This past weekend was especially out of control and the time has come to make some decisions about this type of behavior moving forward.

While the SCDSL and the Discovery Division are not the US Soccer Developmental Academy nor ECNL, this does not make it ok for coaches and parents to behave the way they have been. The Discovery Division is the Elite division in the SCDSL. Teams apply for acceptance and earn their way into this Elite division and are invited in to the division. It would be a shame for teams to not be accepted moving forward because parents and coaches can't control themselves which can happen. We have a zero tolerance for parents who can not sit down and enjoy their kids games and for coaches that take the position that referee abuse is the proper example to set for their players.

Therefore, beginning this weekend, any parent issues on the side line, whether it's one parent or multiple parents on the sideline, the whole sideline (for that team) will be instructed to leave and while that may seem harsh, US Soccer and ECNL would be a whole lot more harsh in the consequences they would impose for such behavior.

Coaches that argue with referees, encourage poor behavior by the parents and condone poor sportsmanship from the players will also be instructed to leave and suspensions will be imposed.

The parents, coaches and players in this division are held to the highest of standards and we simply will not accept intolerable behavior from teams that are "invited" in to this division.

Parents - complaining to the referees and about the referees gets you nowhere. Emailing me complaining about the referees will not get you a response. We have a policy in place regarding this and we have an On-Site Referee Coordinator to deal with referee issues. Attacking referees but verbally and physically, will only get the offender an extended suspension. The same applies to coaches. It does not matter what club you are with or what your name is. This type of behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

Players - Remember the suspensions for Violent Conduct and Referee Abuse. It's a minimum of 3-games and, depending on what the offense is, the disciplinary committee can add more. That's for the 1st offense. Another send-off for Violent Conduct or Referee Abuse is 6-games and your season will be over. Red cards also carry over into next season so don't risk the chance of missing the majoirty of this season and some of next. Red cards can not be argues away, rescinded or changed.

Club Officials - you may want to reiterate to the parents, players and coaching staff so that they understand the consequences of improper behavior and the risk they are taking of not getting accepted in to the Division next season. Maybe a reminder from the Club leadership to those in the Discovery Division will assist everyone in understanding the importance of proper behavior on the sideline.

When SCDSL staff and the Referee Site Coordinator have to sit on a sideline and baby-sit the parents for a full game, there is a problem.

When staff have to sit behind a team bench for a whole game, there is a problem.

When players are trying to calm their parents down on the sideline - that's a problem.

When a player who has been sent-off in a game and is sitting on the bench decides to run on the field and join in another fight - that's a problem.

When a parent decides that attacking a referee and putting in him a chokehold is acceptable behavior - that's a crime.

When a coach verbally assaults a minor referee and follows her to not just her chair but to the parking lot - that's a crime.

When a coach has to be held back by a manager and assistant coach to keep him from attacking a referee - that's a problem.

Please respect the referees - even the bad ones - and just sit and enjoy the games. We will deal with the referees if they are not up to our standards. We deal with them quicker than any of you realize so let us do what we do and please just enjoy your children and their games. Respect the parents from the opposing teams. Respect all of the players on the field and be a positive example for the players. Don't be the parent(s) that causes a game to be terminated in the 32nd minute because the parents couldn't control themselves so their child's game gets forfeited because of them, not because of anything happening on this field (yes this happened).

If you are that unhappy with the referees - be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Become a referee. But remember WHY we have the shortage of quality referees. Because they can't handle the constant abuse from the parents and coaches. We lost no less than 5 referees this weekend becuase of situations involving coaches and parents. Take this seriously.

We will be tracking these issues and we will be clearing sidelines and ejecting coaches.

I hate sending emails like this but the reminder was necessary and hopefully will help parents/coaches/players to understand that the Discovery Division is an honor to play in and everyone's behavior goes a long way ensuring the success of this division in the SCDSL moving forward.

Thank you

Michelle
"

I wish this would have gone out before my SCDSL games this past weekend. Maybe I would not have had the problems with the parents and coach yelling. Although the AR screwing up throughout the game didn't help.
 
That's true as well. I just prefer the Coach concentrate on the game with as little distractions as possible. It's why we pay the $$. Back in the day I would see parents walking to the bench to check on their kid, talk to Coach or tell their kid what they are doing wrong. Helicopter much? Kids should feel that this is their time. Just my opinion...

As a referee, when I go to check a team in I talk to the coach(s) and manager together. I ask the manager if they will be sitting with the team or parents. I tell them that if there are problems with their spectators that I expect the manager to handle the unruly parents, so I do not have to stop the game and have the coach walk all the way across the field to address and remove spectators. About 75 percent of the time the coach will say to the manager something along the lines of, "Go tell Sally and Karen's dads to keep their mouth shut and I do not want to hear a word out of them." My short talk with the coach and manager usually works to keep the spectators reasonably quiet.

The problem that I see is that a lot of clubs do not hold their coaches or parents accountable for their actions. The two clubs my daughter has coached for have a zero tolerance policy for spectators yelling at the refs. If a referee has to talk to a coach about a parent or talk to the parent directly. that parent will need to leave and will not be allowed at a given number of games that is decided by the club.
 
I'll ask it again - Why not put the parents on the same side as the team?
A-hole coaches and A-hole sidelines will still exist. But at least it will give a coach a chance to hear and address anything their sideline is doing.

CSL does it that way and Having been in CSL and SCDSL as both a parent and a coach in each I think it's much worse when it's coaches with their own team on separate sidelines as the other team. Big part your missing is that the majority of unruly sidelines get it from the coach. So teaming them up usually doesn't help. And I find it makes the opposing side get out of hand knowing the other team is farther away. IMHO.
 
CSL does it that way and Having been in CSL and SCDSL as both a parent and a coach in each I think it's much worse when it's coaches with their own team on separate sidelines as the other team. Big part your missing is that the majority of unruly sidelines get it from the coach. So teaming them up usually doesn't help. And I find it makes the opposing side get out of hand knowing the other team is farther away. IMHO.
I also think it's much better for the kids not to have their parents breathing (or shouting) down their necks when they're on the bench. When they're on the other side, the kids can be themselves more and I find coaches are more likely to talk to the kids about what's going on in the game. This is how the DA does it and I'm a fan. No parents allowed on the kids/coaches side at all.
 
The best games are when you are playing in a high school stadium with bleachers. Far enough away that you can't hear much anyway.
 
As a retired team manager who had to deal with it both ways. I definitely prefer my team on one side and the other team on the other side. Most coaches don't want to have to deal with the parents and would rather be on the other side. But there was definitely more conflicts and screaming parents when the coach was across the field.
 
CSL does it that way and Having been in CSL and SCDSL as both a parent and a coach in each I think it's much worse when it's coaches with their own team on separate sidelines as the other team. Big part your missing is that the majority of unruly sidelines get it from the coach. So teaming them up usually doesn't help. And I find it makes the opposing side get out of hand knowing the other team is farther away. IMHO.

In my experience:
A good coach with a strong manager will create a good team culture and have the parents in line regardless of the team/spectator sideline choices. When we encounter a poor team culture then:
  • CSL's way is less desirable. Because the coach is the problem. The parents feed off the coach much more. Game management is more difficult. When the A-Hole coach is told by the Referee to keep quiet, stop, etc., he/she is embarrassed in front of the parents and now compelled to engage in more subversive comments or makes smart-ass remarks that only the parents can hear. One or two of the parents (usually men) will now take up the torch and shout crap because the coach has been warned.
  • USSDA / Cal South / SCDSL - separate teams from parents which is more desirable. Because the parents are sitting on the other side they don't hear 1/2 of what the coach is saying, they tend not to feed off an A-Hole coach as much. The Manager is also on that sideline so we have an adult to adult the adults.
Bottom line, if the team has a good culture it doesn't matter. If the team has a poor team culture then "let's separate them."

I'll add that the teams I have had the worst problem with are the teams that speak Spanish. Its almost comical the uniformity of the sideline.
  • There is the coach in the middle,
  • The moms and kids sitting between the half and 18.
  • The two dads that are pacing back and forth in the ear of the coach and yelling at their players.
  • The group of dads (3 to 4) down by the corner post with their red cups.
  • The leader of the group of dads with their red cups egging on the other dads and making all sorts of comments about everything in Spanish.
  • When there is an issue that I need to address, the complete and total lack of knowledge that anybody on the sideline has as to who said what. "It wasn't me?" "I don't know any of these people." "I don't have a kid on this team." "I'm just watching"
 
CSL does it that way and Having been in CSL and SCDSL as both a parent and a coach in each I think it's much worse when it's coaches with their own team on separate sidelines as the other team. Big part your missing is that the majority of unruly sidelines get it from the coach. So teaming them up usually doesn't help. And I find it makes the opposing side get out of hand knowing the other team is farther away. IMHO.
I would respect fully disagree. With both teams parents on the same side hard fouls or no calls cause the parents to start chipping at each other which causes problems. It was an even bigger problem when you travel and play teams from back East. My experience with them was if parents are on the same side they walk over to your side to be closer to their DD whether they’re on offense or defense. So now you have parents from team A standing right behind Parents from team B which causes even more problems when the chipping starts. These parents were politely asked to move back to their own side or be quiet, and neither happened. The common phrase heard was, this is how we do it over here .
 
What is the initial feedback for Discovery league so far?? How is the competition? How is it having all games at Silverlakes? Do you want to participate in the Discovery league again next year?
Any "pathway" opportunities open up from scouts attending games?
 
The best games are when you are playing in a high school stadium with bleachers. Far enough away that you can't hear much anyway.

Not always. Sometimes sound carries way too well, and every word can be heard. both ways- from coach to players/refs, and parents in stands to players/coach/refs.
 
If you ask the players of the coaches they overwhelmingly prefer Spectators to be on the other sidelines away from the bench.

As far as I remember ussda has always been this way and the parents don't normally mingle or have people problems with one & other even on the same sideline.

Maybe we should have teams play in the the octagon next game when things get out of hand.

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Or how about the Penalty Box 5-minute time out for a yellow card or The Spectator Penalty Box 10 minutes for yelling
 
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