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Olders pay the same reg fee as youngers, but only get a round of 32 after pool play. What a rip-off.
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.Olders pay the same reg fee as youngers, but only get a round of 32 after pool play. What a rip-off.
Logic.....it’s a beautiful thing!I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
Ref fees are NOT included in your State Cup registration fee.I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
@espola and @timbuck
Yes, I forgot referee fees are split, my bad. I'll note that Cal South does pay the referee fees in only 1 instance ... the 4th Referee in the final round, but that amount is relatively insignificant to the overall budget.
That said, the ultimate point is not lost ... it costs more to put on older games than it does younger games. Field utilization is simply lower with the olders because you can only cycle 4-5 games per field in the winter at 90 minutes per game, versus 6-7 games per field at 60 minutes per game (youngers). After bracket play, Cal South also has to allow more time between games to account for overtime and kicks from the mark because ties are not allowed.
At $650 (Mayor-Governors) to $750 (Presidents) to $875 (National) the fees are not terrible. The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments, there is medical available and overall its a well run tournament.
Remember, this is a fundraiser for Cal South, which uses the funds to support the growth of youth and adult soccer in SoCal.
"The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments"? I did not know that. I know that in the past Cal South kicked in some money for teams playing on, but I don't believe it ever came close to all the expenses (unless the later rounds were in Cal South).
In 2014 it was roughly $4,400 per team (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2014_254-id.209717250.html#.WqLPROjwaUk) for regionals and $5,725 in 2015 (http://www.calsouth.com/en/news-detail/254-id.209717489.html#.WqLQaejwaUk)
In 2015, it was 10k per team for national finals (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2015_254-id.209717494.html#.WqLP4-jwaUk)
Bottom line, those teams moving on to Regionals and National Finals are heavily subsidized by Cal South. The funds may not cover parent travel, but they certainly help offset significant costs related to player and coach travel and hotels.
Just keep in mind that group rates (10+) tend to be anywhere from 25% to 50% discounted off of regular published rates depending on time of year and airline.I was curious, so I checked the airfare to honolulu from lax in june. It’s around $750 for a round trip. wow..it’s an expensive trip. For a team of say 15 players and a coach, it costs $12k just for the flights.
Just keep in mind that group rates (10+) tend to be anywhere from 25% to 50% discounted off of regular published rates depending on time of year and airline.
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:The problem with getting group rates is that the winners don't know they will need them until a few days before.
I think you might get stuck with some kids for a while unless you're charging for child care. I could use a break!!!I would take a team almost anywhere in the country on $10k. Then make the parents pay to bring them back.
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:
National Cup 2020 Bid Solicitation:
https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=C4/jiVOJ6ruZk/RCS7pGUuvPlI3ORbi7wdhjnOSNomM=
"Housing US Youth Soccer or a US Youth Soccer designee will solicit and coordinate housing accommodations and enter into agreements with the housing properties. US Youth Soccer, or its designee, is responsible for blocking rooms for teams, referees, US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, National Staff, the National Presidents Cup Committee, and other VIPs. US Youth Soccer or its designee will also arrange for hospitality and meeting rooms at those hotels as needed. The LOC shall identify housing for US Youth Soccer to consider."
Typically, the US Youth Soccer travel group will then go out and get an open group discount rate from an airline or two that can me passed on to the participating teams. One a team qualifies, as part of the registration process, that team's manager is presented with a menu of hotels and other discounted amenities.
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:
National Cup 2020 Bid Solicitation:
https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=C4/jiVOJ6ruZk/RCS7pGUuvPlI3ORbi7wdhjnOSNomM=
"Housing US Youth Soccer or a US Youth Soccer designee will solicit and coordinate housing accommodations and enter into agreements with the housing properties. US Youth Soccer, or its designee, is responsible for blocking rooms for teams, referees, US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, National Staff, the National Presidents Cup Committee, and other VIPs. US Youth Soccer or its designee will also arrange for hospitality and meeting rooms at those hotels as needed. The LOC shall identify housing for US Youth Soccer to consider."
Typically, the US Youth Soccer travel group will then go out and get an open group discount rate from an airline or two that can me passed on to the participating teams. One a team qualifies, as part of the registration process, that team's manager is presented with a menu of hotels and other discounted amenities.