State Cup $$ Grab Continues

Olders pay the same reg fee as youngers, but only get a round of 32 after pool play. What a rip-off.
 
Olders pay the same reg fee as youngers, but only get a round of 32 after pool play. What a rip-off.
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
 
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
Logic.....it’s a beautiful thing!
 
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.

Referee fees are split between the two teams, so younger teams actually pay less since they play shorter games.

http://www.calsouth.com/en/referee-fees/
 
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
Ref fees are NOT included in your State Cup registration fee.
 
How dare an organization try and make money to support its activities? scm As an older parent for $875 to potentially play 3-10 games is an outstanding price. Most of these tournaments at the olders are $1200+ for 3-4 games.
 
@espola and @timbuck

Yes, I forgot referee fees are split, my bad. I'll note that Cal South does pay the referee fees in only 1 instance ... the 4th Referee in the final round, but that amount is relatively insignificant to the overall budget.

That said, the ultimate point is not lost ... it costs more to put on older games than it does younger games. Field utilization is simply lower with the olders because you can only cycle 4-5 games per field in the winter at 90 minutes per game, versus 6-7 games per field at 60 minutes per game (youngers). After bracket play, Cal South also has to allow more time between games to account for overtime and kicks from the mark because ties are not allowed.

At $650 (Mayor-Governors) to $750 (Presidents) to $875 (National) the fees are not terrible. The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments, there is medical available and overall its a well run tournament.

Remember, this is a fundraiser for Cal South, which uses the funds to support the growth of youth and adult soccer in SoCal.
 
@espola and @timbuck

Yes, I forgot referee fees are split, my bad. I'll note that Cal South does pay the referee fees in only 1 instance ... the 4th Referee in the final round, but that amount is relatively insignificant to the overall budget.

That said, the ultimate point is not lost ... it costs more to put on older games than it does younger games. Field utilization is simply lower with the olders because you can only cycle 4-5 games per field in the winter at 90 minutes per game, versus 6-7 games per field at 60 minutes per game (youngers). After bracket play, Cal South also has to allow more time between games to account for overtime and kicks from the mark because ties are not allowed.

At $650 (Mayor-Governors) to $750 (Presidents) to $875 (National) the fees are not terrible. The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments, there is medical available and overall its a well run tournament.

Remember, this is a fundraiser for Cal South, which uses the funds to support the growth of youth and adult soccer in SoCal.

"The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments"? I did not know that. I know that in the past Cal South kicked in some money for teams playing on, but I don't believe it ever came close to all the expenses (unless the later rounds were in Cal South).
 
"The winners of Presidents and National get their expenses paid to attend the regional and national tournaments"? I did not know that. I know that in the past Cal South kicked in some money for teams playing on, but I don't believe it ever came close to all the expenses (unless the later rounds were in Cal South).

In 2014 it was roughly $4,400 per team (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2014_254-id.209717250.html#.WqLPROjwaUk) for regionals and $5,725 in 2015 (http://www.calsouth.com/en/news-detail/254-id.209717489.html#.WqLQaejwaUk)

In 2015, it was 10k per team for national finals (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2015_254-id.209717494.html#.WqLP4-jwaUk)

Bottom line, those teams moving on to Regionals and National Finals are heavily subsidized by Cal South. The funds may not cover parent travel, but they certainly help offset significant costs related to player and coach travel and hotels.
 
I heard CRL winners would receive $6000/team for regionals this year. It’s great but when regionals is in Honolulu, $6000 will probably only cover 2-3 players’ expenses.

BTW what heppens when a team wins both CRL and National Cup? Dose Cal South also send the second team to regionals? If so, the second of CRL or National Cup? Does the winning team receive additional money for winning national cup?
 
In 2014 it was roughly $4,400 per team (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2014_254-id.209717250.html#.WqLPROjwaUk) for regionals and $5,725 in 2015 (http://www.calsouth.com/en/news-detail/254-id.209717489.html#.WqLQaejwaUk)

In 2015, it was 10k per team for national finals (http://www.calsouth.com/es/news-detail/254-year.2015_254-id.209717494.html#.WqLP4-jwaUk)

Bottom line, those teams moving on to Regionals and National Finals are heavily subsidized by Cal South. The funds may not cover parent travel, but they certainly help offset significant costs related to player and coach travel and hotels.

I would take a team almost anywhere in the country on $10k. Then make the parents pay to bring them back.
 
I was curious, so I checked the airfare to honolulu from lax in june. It’s around $750 for a round trip. wow..it’s an expensive trip. For a team of say 15 players and a coach, it costs $12k just for the flights.
 
I was curious, so I checked the airfare to honolulu from lax in june. It’s around $750 for a round trip. wow..it’s an expensive trip. For a team of say 15 players and a coach, it costs $12k just for the flights.
Just keep in mind that group rates (10+) tend to be anywhere from 25% to 50% discounted off of regular published rates depending on time of year and airline.
 
Just keep in mind that group rates (10+) tend to be anywhere from 25% to 50% discounted off of regular published rates depending on time of year and airline.

The problem with getting group rates is that the winners don't know they will need them until a few days before.
 
The problem with getting group rates is that the winners don't know they will need them until a few days before.
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:

National Cup 2020 Bid Solicitation:
https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=C4/jiVOJ6ruZk/RCS7pGUuvPlI3ORbi7wdhjnOSNomM=

"Housing US Youth Soccer or a US Youth Soccer designee will solicit and coordinate housing accommodations and enter into agreements with the housing properties. US Youth Soccer, or its designee, is responsible for blocking rooms for teams, referees, US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, National Staff, the National Presidents Cup Committee, and other VIPs. US Youth Soccer or its designee will also arrange for hospitality and meeting rooms at those hotels as needed. The LOC shall identify housing for US Youth Soccer to consider."

Typically, the US Youth Soccer travel group will then go out and get an open group discount rate from an airline or two that can me passed on to the participating teams. One a team qualifies, as part of the registration process, that team's manager is presented with a menu of hotels and other discounted amenities.
 
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:

National Cup 2020 Bid Solicitation:
https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=C4/jiVOJ6ruZk/RCS7pGUuvPlI3ORbi7wdhjnOSNomM=

"Housing US Youth Soccer or a US Youth Soccer designee will solicit and coordinate housing accommodations and enter into agreements with the housing properties. US Youth Soccer, or its designee, is responsible for blocking rooms for teams, referees, US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, National Staff, the National Presidents Cup Committee, and other VIPs. US Youth Soccer or its designee will also arrange for hospitality and meeting rooms at those hotels as needed. The LOC shall identify housing for US Youth Soccer to consider."

Typically, the US Youth Soccer travel group will then go out and get an open group discount rate from an airline or two that can me passed on to the participating teams. One a team qualifies, as part of the registration process, that team's manager is presented with a menu of hotels and other discounted amenities.

That depends -- When we went to the USL Super-20 Nationals in Rockford, Illinois in 2009, we got discounted hotel rates by staying at the headquarters hotel and doubling/tripling up players. We saved even more by half the team staying at one player's uncle's house (single-dad college professor with 2 teenage daughters*) just over the line in Wisconsin. In the same year (or the year before, perhaps) the Western Regional playoffs were held in Albuquerque, and the organizing committee there arranged stay-to-play hotels at least 20% over open market rate.

*The Professor sent his daughters off to stay in a neighbor's place for the week, and good thing, too because they were still there the day the players arrived, and the boys had a hard time ignoring the girls playing on their backyard trampoline.
 
Yes, BUT, alot of this has already been pre-negotiated by US Youth Soccer through the host travel company. The Hotels room block is already reserved, the travel company retained and ready to fill the discounted flights. Teams can choose to not fly (e.g. to Frisco, TX) to save some money, but the deals are already done shortly after the bid is awarded. For example:

National Cup 2020 Bid Solicitation:
https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=C4/jiVOJ6ruZk/RCS7pGUuvPlI3ORbi7wdhjnOSNomM=

"Housing US Youth Soccer or a US Youth Soccer designee will solicit and coordinate housing accommodations and enter into agreements with the housing properties. US Youth Soccer, or its designee, is responsible for blocking rooms for teams, referees, US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, National Staff, the National Presidents Cup Committee, and other VIPs. US Youth Soccer or its designee will also arrange for hospitality and meeting rooms at those hotels as needed. The LOC shall identify housing for US Youth Soccer to consider."

Typically, the US Youth Soccer travel group will then go out and get an open group discount rate from an airline or two that can me passed on to the participating teams. One a team qualifies, as part of the registration process, that team's manager is presented with a menu of hotels and other discounted amenities.


My friend show me the list of the hotels in Hawaii for regionals (his DD is going). Most of them charge daily resort fees and parking, so even the cheapest room is $200+/night and goes all the way up to over $300/night. Those are discounted rates... Isn’t regionals a week-long tournament? I’m guessing most teams will be staying for 8-9 nights there.

I’m sure cheaper rooms are taken by CRL winners, so National cup winners are gonna end up staying in laxurious resorts on Waikiki beach. Not bad at all but I don’t even wanna know how much the total cost is gonna be :eek:
 
We just won Presidents this year and Cal South is giving the team 6000.00 to go to Utah for Regionals. The thing that stinks is you cannot priceline your own hotels or you will have to pay the company booking the hotels 1500. Most of the hotels that are reasonable are already sold out. I found the same hotel on priceline that was 50 dollars a night cheaper.
 
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